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		<title>By: Market update &#124; Arohan&#39;s investing life</title>
		<link>http://personaldividends.com/opinions/arohan/obama-economic-stimulus-package-is-a-disaster/comment-page-1#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>Market update &#124; Arohan&#39;s investing life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] well thought out plan. The Paulson era was a seat-of-the-pants damage control extravaganza and the current stimulus package is pork-laden nightmare. Let&#8217;s hope Geithner [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] well thought out plan. The Paulson era was a seat-of-the-pants damage control extravaganza and the current stimulus package is pork-laden nightmare. Let&#8217;s hope Geithner [...]</p>
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		<title>By: camera life</title>
		<link>http://personaldividends.com/opinions/arohan/obama-economic-stimulus-package-is-a-disaster/comment-page-1#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>camera life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a critical time for us and we need to ensure that we do not overburden future generations to feed the pork today!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a critical time for us and we need to ensure that we do not overburden future generations to feed the pork today!</p>
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		<title>By: Market update &#124; Arohan's investing life</title>
		<link>http://personaldividends.com/opinions/arohan/obama-economic-stimulus-package-is-a-disaster/comment-page-1#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Market update &#124; Arohan's investing life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that the stimulus bill will be an unmitigated disaster.  I personally also believe that the stimulus package as constructed is a disaster and that the American public deserve better from a government that has promised hope and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that the stimulus bill will be an unmitigated disaster.  I personally also believe that the stimulus package as constructed is a disaster and that the American public deserve better from a government that has promised hope and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Market update &#124; Arohan's investing life</title>
		<link>http://personaldividends.com/opinions/arohan/obama-economic-stimulus-package-is-a-disaster/comment-page-1#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Market update &#124; Arohan's investing life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have said this before, the best use of stimulus dollars will be to help the small and medium sized businesses through [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have said this before, the best use of stimulus dollars will be to help the small and medium sized businesses through [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Someone in Pittsburgh</title>
		<link>http://personaldividends.com/opinions/arohan/obama-economic-stimulus-package-is-a-disaster/comment-page-1#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Someone in Pittsburgh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Arohan

I know two businesses burnt in this manner. These are the business I spoke of spending money to find.  What I was trying to get at is the money would most likely not go to such business and will instead go to failing large industry companies like GM, AIG, etc.  

If we spent the money looking for the type of business you point out then the governement could step in with this cash and offer a very low term loan sort of in the spirit of the FAFSA loan system for education.  This would help to recover them from bankruptcy or keep them with legit loans they can acctually use for real developement instead of padding a multi-billions dollar company that wasn&#039;t working so well in the first place. 

In other words I agree and was aiming in the same direction you were, I simply didnt make that aspect detailed enough. 

and the last few words were a frusterated rant :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arohan</p>
<p>I know two businesses burnt in this manner. These are the business I spoke of spending money to find.  What I was trying to get at is the money would most likely not go to such business and will instead go to failing large industry companies like GM, AIG, etc.  </p>
<p>If we spent the money looking for the type of business you point out then the governement could step in with this cash and offer a very low term loan sort of in the spirit of the FAFSA loan system for education.  This would help to recover them from bankruptcy or keep them with legit loans they can acctually use for real developement instead of padding a multi-billions dollar company that wasn&#8217;t working so well in the first place. </p>
<p>In other words I agree and was aiming in the same direction you were, I simply didnt make that aspect detailed enough. </p>
<p>and the last few words were a frusterated rant <img src='http://personaldividends.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Economic Stimulus Package 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>Economic Stimulus Package 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Obama economic stimulus package is a disaster &#124; Personal Dividends (personaldividends.com) - January 29, 2009Obama economic stimulus package is a disaster. By Arohan on January 29th, 2009. This is quite an extraordinary bill that just passed in the House of Representatives. It is such an unmitigated disaster&#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Obama economic stimulus package is a disaster | Personal Dividends (personaldividends.com) &#8211; January 29, 2009Obama economic stimulus package is a disaster. By Arohan on January 29th, 2009. This is quite an extraordinary bill that just passed in the House of Representatives. It is such an unmitigated disaster&hellip; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arohan</title>
		<link>http://personaldividends.com/opinions/arohan/obama-economic-stimulus-package-is-a-disaster/comment-page-1#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Arohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Someone in Pittsburg, there is a basic fallacy in your argument. You presume that all businesses in this country are suffering today because each one of them are operating under a failed business model. You could make this statement about certain sectors and it will be true to some extent, but majority of service and manufacturing businesses are suffering not because their business model is bad, but because there is an extraordinary credit squeeze where even the best run and well qualified businesses are being denied credit. This is where the stimulus would be most effective. I personally know of a few companies that were profitable and well run and have been forced into bankruptcy because their banks had a change of heart and pulled their lines of credit

@Hal, the following quote from Rahm Emmanuel is interesting.
&quot;Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it&#039;s an opportunity to do things you couldn&#039;t do before.&quot;
This is from the WSJ article that is linked in this opinion. BTW, I read the article that you referenced and it is an awesome piece of analysis and unfortunately it makes sense.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Someone in Pittsburg, there is a basic fallacy in your argument. You presume that all businesses in this country are suffering today because each one of them are operating under a failed business model. You could make this statement about certain sectors and it will be true to some extent, but majority of service and manufacturing businesses are suffering not because their business model is bad, but because there is an extraordinary credit squeeze where even the best run and well qualified businesses are being denied credit. This is where the stimulus would be most effective. I personally know of a few companies that were profitable and well run and have been forced into bankruptcy because their banks had a change of heart and pulled their lines of credit</p>
<p>@Hal, the following quote from Rahm Emmanuel is interesting.<br />
&#8220;Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it&#8217;s an opportunity to do things you couldn&#8217;t do before.&#8221;<br />
This is from the WSJ article that is linked in this opinion. BTW, I read the article that you referenced and it is an awesome piece of analysis and unfortunately it makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Hal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bill just makes me want to scream. It&#039;s a payoff plain and simple to those that helped get him elected. The fact that there&#039;s a few things in here that count as stimulus is just for looks. It isn&#039;t going to help the economy. But I really think it will hurt. 

Read this editorial, it&#039;s the track were on: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/quinn/2009/0128.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TURNING JAPANESE - THE AUDACITY OF REALITY&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bill just makes me want to scream. It&#8217;s a payoff plain and simple to those that helped get him elected. The fact that there&#8217;s a few things in here that count as stimulus is just for looks. It isn&#8217;t going to help the economy. But I really think it will hurt. </p>
<p>Read this editorial, it&#8217;s the track were on: <a href="http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/quinn/2009/0128.html" rel="nofollow">TURNING JAPANESE &#8211; THE AUDACITY OF REALITY</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Someone in Pittsburgh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Someone in Pittsburgh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The spending on our national infrastructure is needed badly.  The tax cuts on business are also nice.  

While I agree that the percentage of money you point-out would be better spent elsewhere there seems to be a huge diconnect between giving &quot;thoughs who can create jobs&quot; and willingness to spend it on actually making jobs an not just hording it.  

The problem is if there is a lack of work and money to pay bonuses and give raises spending slows, when spending slows bonuses get cut and so does the work force because the company paying them isnt making as much money as it was.  Giving the buisness&#039;s that require people spending money to function money to hire more people wont do anything of the sort because they would be hiring people to meet a demand that doesnt exsist. 

So they simply wont hire and will store and invest the cash. They will use this padding to the best of thier abilities to weather the down-turn and hope for a brighter day where their currently established business model will once again be gainful. Then they will reopen thier HR gates and say &quot;see I told you if you just gave the money to those who merit it everything will pull-through eventually&quot;. If they dont pull through they go into bankruptcy and get more money from the government to soften this blow aswell, with the chance of doing it again when that money runs out.

Thus the old &quot;why pay someone who doesnt work welfare? Then they have no reason to work hard to get ahead&quot; applies here aswell. Why would they try to change their failed business model or close-down and work to create a new one when they can just get enough money to weather the storm instead of creating a new foundation from their experiences that holds-up on it&#039;s own?

Maybe the money should go into research to find business models that are currently seeing an up-turn in their industry and looking to expand.  Then spend the money left to support these businesses in a variety of ways such as grants for R&amp;D, government loans similar to something like FAFSA for commercial expansion, and prosecuiting all the white collar criminals in wall street and Washington DC that &quot;gamed&quot; the system into disrepair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The spending on our national infrastructure is needed badly.  The tax cuts on business are also nice.  </p>
<p>While I agree that the percentage of money you point-out would be better spent elsewhere there seems to be a huge diconnect between giving &#8220;thoughs who can create jobs&#8221; and willingness to spend it on actually making jobs an not just hording it.  </p>
<p>The problem is if there is a lack of work and money to pay bonuses and give raises spending slows, when spending slows bonuses get cut and so does the work force because the company paying them isnt making as much money as it was.  Giving the buisness&#8217;s that require people spending money to function money to hire more people wont do anything of the sort because they would be hiring people to meet a demand that doesnt exsist. </p>
<p>So they simply wont hire and will store and invest the cash. They will use this padding to the best of thier abilities to weather the down-turn and hope for a brighter day where their currently established business model will once again be gainful. Then they will reopen thier HR gates and say &#8220;see I told you if you just gave the money to those who merit it everything will pull-through eventually&#8221;. If they dont pull through they go into bankruptcy and get more money from the government to soften this blow aswell, with the chance of doing it again when that money runs out.</p>
<p>Thus the old &#8220;why pay someone who doesnt work welfare? Then they have no reason to work hard to get ahead&#8221; applies here aswell. Why would they try to change their failed business model or close-down and work to create a new one when they can just get enough money to weather the storm instead of creating a new foundation from their experiences that holds-up on it&#8217;s own?</p>
<p>Maybe the money should go into research to find business models that are currently seeing an up-turn in their industry and looking to expand.  Then spend the money left to support these businesses in a variety of ways such as grants for R&amp;D, government loans similar to something like FAFSA for commercial expansion, and prosecuiting all the white collar criminals in wall street and Washington DC that &#8220;gamed&#8221; the system into disrepair.</p>
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